There’s also Ubuntu.

[Microsoft are] just literal thieves.

Always have been.

(But now it’s worse because it’s the entire public, not just their competitors)

What disgusting cope. Don’t you have any self-respect?

Just because you can work around the abuse doesn’t mean they aren’t abusing you.

Edit: people like the commenter above are actively making the world worse by normalizing and even excusing abusive corporate practices. I apologize for nothing!

The kernel is copyleft (100% of it).

Technically, sort of, but GPLv2 isn’t good enough. Stuff has to be GPLv3 (or AGPLv3) to fulfill the intent of protecting the end user’s right to control their machine. That’s the essential thing people are looking for when they choose “Linux” — if it’s a tyrant device like a smart TV that’s subverted to work against the user by showing ads or whatever, nobody gives a shit if it’s running a Linux kernel because that fact doesn’t actually help them usurp the manufacturer’s control.

Usurpation of control is what “GNU/Linux” implies. The fine details of which software has what license isn’t the point; whether the system as a whole delivers on the promise of user freedom is.

See, this shit is why insisting on “GNU/Linux” is actually important. It’s the copyleft and the end user freedom it provides that matters, not the kernel.

Sabotaged Linuxes like Android just don’t cut it and shouldn’t count.

And more to the point, your work computer should be provided by your employer. If you’re buying that shit yourself, you’re a chump who’s being taken advantage of.

Lucius shouldn’t have that power either! It’s not an issue of being “stable enough;” it’s an issue of anyone having it. Frankly, your argument kinda proves my point.

It’s analogous to a limited hangout. Sure, they acknowledge it’s wrong, but that doesn’t stop them from doing it and they suffer no bad consequences for that choice. Really, what’s the Aesop people are actually going to take from it? The one based on the demonstrably empty words, or the one based on the actions?

“This is wrong” — Lucius Fox, The Dark Knight

Prescient, and also an example of copaganda/how corporate media conditions the public to accept this shit because the “good guy” is the one using it.

Ah, TIL. I just figured it was the KDE-est general-purpose distro.

But still, shouldn’t it at least have a development version of Plasma Login Manager sooner than any others, for testing?

Fedora will be the first distro? Adopting it even faster than KDE Neon, a distro made by KDE itself?

Would you happen to have a source for that? Admittedly this is based on nothing more than my anecdotal experience living through it, but I owned a PocketPC back then and I distinctly remember feeling like I was in the minority compared to Palm or Blackberry.

When was that? I only remember Palm having a lead, and then Blackberry, and then iOS and Android. Windows CE and Windows Mobile were never more than also-rans.

I’ve been playing games on [K]Ubuntu just for almost a decade now. There are no excuses, and haven’t been for a long time.

Can you actually install your hacked version on your TV, or is it DRM’d to prevent it? That’s the only thing that matters.

Sure, because caring about users’ rights is “insane.” Because caring about societal effects of (lack of) antitrust and consumer protection law is “insane.” Because having an ounce of goddamn self-respect and not wanting to be abused is “insane.”

No, I don’t think I’m insane at all, actually. I think the people incomprehensibly arguing against me in this thread can fuck all the way off with their corporatist simping!

What the fuck? I said I don’t even actually care if the kernel is Linux or NT (or anything else) as long as it’s genuinely open so the user can modify it, and you somehow try to twist that as quibbling over distros?! Way to miss the point by a goddamn mile!

It really isn’t, though. It will still have a shitty UI that tries to shove the “smart” features in your face, it’ll probably shove some bullshit EULA in your face on first startup, and engage in other dark patterns.

However, browsing it requires an active ”Profil Zaufany” (exactly translated to English as Trusted Profile) account, which is not available for registration for people outside of Poland.

According to the ministry’s statement issued in their own Public Information Bulletin, this requirement has been enforced as a part of ”recommendations issued by the Ministry of National Defence’s CSIRT team, which include the possibility of user accountability”.

Moreover, the published code cannot be easily copied over while browsing via the official website.

🙄 fucking user-hostile “security by obscurity” wankers

That’s great for the folks who have access to decades-old pre-enshittification technology and the means to maintain it, but what about everybody else?

Continuing my smart TV OS analogy, your answer is like saying just to use a dumb TV instead. There aren’t any dumb TVs anymore! The TV manufacturer cartel colluded to quit making them!

“Just go live in the fucking woods like the goddamn Unabomber, eschewing modern technology” is not a valid solution for normal people! The law must be changed to protect them from predatory abusive corporations.

Because the distinction matters. The corporate raping of Linux has to stop being tolerated or else nothing is solved. The technical details of the kernel don’t actually matter; the licensing and openness is what matters. Hell, if the Windows NT kernel got magically relicensed to AGPLv3 tomorrow it would instantly become the superior option just because of that.

Linux doesn’t fucking matter. Copyleft matters.