• magnetosphere@fedia.io
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    2 months ago

    In every other circumstance I can think of, “I can’t make money doing a thing unless I break the law” means don’t do that thing.

    Why should AI get special treatment?

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      2 months ago

      Well in almost every other circumstance, you’re forgetting Uber and Airbnb.

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    2 months ago

    Yeah! I can’t make money running my restaurant if I have to pay for the ingredients, so I should be allowed to steal them. How else can I make money??

    Alternatively:

    OpenAI is no different from pirate streaming sites in this regard (loosely: streaming sites are way more useful to humanity). If OpenAI gets a pass, so should every site that’s been shut down for piracy.

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      2 months ago

      If OpenAI wants a pass, then just like how piracy services make content freely open and available, they should make their models open.

      Give me the weights, publish your datasets, slap on a permissive license.

      If you’re not willing to contribute back to society with what you used from it, then you shouldn’t exist within society until you do so.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 months ago

    I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn’t the problem, it’s companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

    (And for those of you soulless capitalists out there, people without food and shelter is bad. That’s a thing we won’t tolerate and start looking at you lean-and-hungry-like when it happens. That’s what gets us thinking about guillotines hungry for aristocrats.)

    In my ideal world, everyone would have food, shelter, clothes, entertainment and a general middle-class lifestyle whether they worked or not, and intellectual-property temporary monopolies would be very short and we’d have a huge public domain. I think the UN wants to be on the same page as me, but the United States and billionaires do not.

    All we’d have to worry about is the power demands of AI and cryptomining, which might motivate us to get pure-hydrogen fusion working. Or just keep developing solar, wind, geothermal and tidal power until everyone can run their AC and supercomputer.

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      2 months ago

      Phh, people without food and work can go to the Venus X-enus mining company.

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      I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn’t the problem, it’s companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers).

      I mean it’s the heart of the issue.

      OpenAI isn’t even the big issue regarding this. It’s other companies that are developing and training specialized LLMs on their own employees. These companies have the capital to take the loss on the project because in their eyes it’ll eventually turn into a gain as long as they get it right eventually.

      GPT and OpenAI is just a minor distraction in regards to what is being cooked up behind the scenes, but I still wouldn’t give them a free pass for that either.

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    2 months ago

    Sounds like an argument slave owners would use. “My plantation can’t make money without free labor!”