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    I’m happy that they’re keeping it up, but I’ve already moved on to the point that even if Reddit were to completely go back on the API change, I wouldn’t come back. Personally I’ve already moved the goal post to where Steve Huffman needs to go before I’d consider ever going back. Reddit is dead for all I care.

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      Listen there’s a whole board at reddit that greenlit every decision he’s made. He’s not some mad scientist.

      The way reddit has decided, as a company, to treat their users over the last 40 days or so, that’s enough for me.

      Imagine if in the MySpace days we all found out that using MySpace was generating ad revenue for Tom so he could build a torture chamber for puppies. That would have been awful enough that even 20 years later, (holy shit MySpace was 20 years ago) and over a decade after Tom had left the company, we would still feel weird about going there to hang out online, and a lot of us would feel disgust every time we were served an ad on the platform.

      What I’m saying, is Steve Huffman kills puppies and even accessing reddit.com is basically condoning puppy torture. Wait, no. What I’m saying is reddit has created a blemish so hideous that I wouldn’t, not even if I was like, really really drunk. Ya Digg?

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      I’ve been editing and deleting 10+ year old comments to deny them that sweet sweet LLM data. No way for me to go back, and I wouldn’t anyway

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        You should check to see that your edits hold. There’s been reports of users manually deleting posts and then showing back up a few days later.

        They’re in full damage control mode.

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      Agreed. It is funny to hear about, but they would have to roll back years of changes for me to even consider it at this point. Since there is no money in that for them it is pretty much a moot point.

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      It doesn’t matter if huffman goes. This is the result of wanting to make $$$$$$. That won’t ever change.

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    Okay, hear me out:

    I get the argument that most of these protests are meaningless/if you REALLY want to change you’re going to have to do this this this. whatever (I usually stop reading there). I understand, but I don’t agree.

    Sure, it’s nice when a protest can actually enact real changes but lets face it; that’s not common and sometimes not going to happen: fine. The decision to make a protest shouldn’t be decided on the basis of ‘can I win’; a much less restrictive–and very deeply fun–philosophy should be "is this worth taking time out of my day just to annoy/frustrate/irritate those who are doing this?’ If yes (it should always be yes), "So lets find out how many ways me and anyone else I can recruit can make this happen’.

    In other words: every time a subreddit finds a new and interesting and stupid and ridiculous and just weird way to be irritating and embarrassing af…I am living for this.

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      Very refreshing take on it. The cynicism about whether the protests were ‘worth it’ because we didn’t see massive results felt like it missed all the fun of giving the greedy corporation the collective finger.

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        If the only reason you’ll fight is because you think you can win, you’re doing it for the wrong reasons. Win or lose or both or nothing at all, you do it because it’s worth fighting for. Sometimes this ends with Brown v. Board of Education and Obergefell v. Hodges, but mostly, it won’t, so if the best I can do right now is give some people a very, very bad day, well, I’m in: let’s go.

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          Right. I fight not because I believe I’ll win, or even because I believe victory is “possible”, but because it’s more comfortable for me so to speak to be fighting than to quietly and passively support the ideology I disagree with. It is more “restful” to me to be fighting a fight I believe in than to be resting in a world I hate.

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        The problem is that the finger is still a form of engagement when you do it on the site you’re protesting. The admins don’t care as long as you’re still driving clicks.

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          Legit and I agree.

          However, nothing in my experience with Reddit Admins has contradicted my impression that when they were five years old, you could give them a full screaming meltdown playing “I’m not touching you” in three minutes or less. Can I prove it if they aren’t melting down regularly over some of this where I can see it? No. But I know it’s happening, and that’s enough.

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          Honest question, is there such a thing as bad engagement? Or is engagement like that saying about bad publicity?

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            NSFW content can’t be monetised and advertisers are having second thoughts about their willingness to advertise there (or so the lowering number of clicks on the advertisement page leads one to believe), so I guess there can be bad engagement.

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        The protests remind me of the last night at bar on land that just got bought by developers and will soon be torn down. The battle is lost, you can do nothing and leave or you can get weird and write your farewells on the walls, steal the toilet seats, and otherwise vandalize the place on your way out and have one last laugh with your friends before you head your separate ways.

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        Been on Reddit a long time and feel this one is different. Not because it’s worse, or makes more people more upset, but because all those other times moderators still slightly trusted admins to not completely sabotage their own site. This time all goodwill has been definitively trashed. Above-and-beyond type extraordinary efforts to maintain communities like with IAmA and AskHistorians look to be going away forever, so are people maintaining tools to have a chance at handling spam etc.

        Nobody wants to work for Reddit for free anymore.

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    I’m glad to be totally off of Reddit now but I have to say, props to the mods doing this kind of stuff. It’s pretty hilarious

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    So long as it hurts Reddit, all the better.

    This whole API issue is a lost cause, so the only thing that can be done now is to make Reddit lose big.

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    I just went and looked at r/videos and I gotta admit that the text-only descriptions of videos and enforcing swearing in every post title is pretty funny.

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        Deliberately using an alternative is a form of protesting.

        And it can be, sure, but it’s not always the case.

        I’m not just using Lemmy until or if Reddit backtracks, I’m using Lemmy because I believe it’s the superior platform in many ways and has more to offer. I didn’t make an account here in sign of protest, I made one because Lemmy was suggested to me and I’m liking it better than where I came from.

        I’m also aware that many users on this platform would go back to Reddit if they backtracked on the API keys.

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        No. And it’s specially not the case if you consider the “alternative” to be better.

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    It’s so weird to see all the people still fighting on Reddit when I’ve already moved on

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      Most importantly I think the app devs have moved on. They’d have to do something particularly amazing to lure them back. That’s the death knell.

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        Yes, I think the biggest mistake spez made was sending all the best devs on the platform directly to his biggest competitor.

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        The point is to trash the site so new users don’t join, if they replace the number they lost they can say “hey look, we recovered in only 6 months”

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        I haven’t even looked back. I have been through this a few times before. Yahoo chat and myspace to Facebook. They aren’t EXACTLY the same. But I have seen it enough to know that they clearly aren’t listening to their users.

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      Eh, I’ll go against the grain and be honest. I still use it on my desktop at home. Zero mobile use. The user base and information there is still massive at the moment. Once that changes it’s in my rear view, but I won’t pretend like I don’t.

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      People on Reddit keep saying things are mostly back to normal, while tiny subs are hitting the front page of /r/all on the regular with like 2k votes.

      Also, I’ve noticed a pretty significant increase in overt racism. Or rather, significant decrease in moderation of it. I shouldn’t be surprised but it keeps catching me off-guard.

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        Like what? I can’t say I’ve noticed much difference other than less activity overall

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          For myself, the quality in posts has dropped significantly. I’m always challenging myself to learn, I also learn better with things that interest me. I’ve found since Boost for Reddit went down that not even old reddit is catching my attention. I feel bored. This is for popular or r/all. If I’m on my own homepage it’s like Reddit never changed as I’m subbed to mostly all small subs.

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            For my frontpage the change is small but still noticeable:

            /r/pcm was always holding on by a thread, it looks like all the quality posters and moderation have left/given up.

            /r/chess is down about 10-20% of its normal upvotes

            /r/ProgrammerHumor is down about 50%

            /r/Sysadmin is surprisingly normal-ish for upvotes, but the posts aren’t great. Although that sub has been mostly off topic rants for a while now… not sure I want to purely attribute that to the API change.

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      I haven’t been back but do you have any data to back that up?

      Not that I don’t believe it, I just want some schadenfreude

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    I agree.

    Also when we’re all being fucked over no one has a right to say how we (in general) should be protesting. People get to show their anger in whatever way they want. It’s like people asking for civility so they don’t have to deal with uncomfortable messages. Um fuck no. NSFW all the way if that’s what one decides.

    Thanks for agitating

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      The start of your comment reminded me of the exchange between Trevor Noah & Tomi Lauren where Trevor asks her, okay, so if this protest isn’t good, and this kind isn’t good, how should black people protest? How should they make their grievances known? And she just could not answer that question. Protests aren’t comfortable–they’re disruptive by nature. If protests don’t challenge anything or make anyone uncomfortable, what are they even doing?

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      It’s even healthier when you think about how this anger is being shown in a non-violent manner. If it helps people to express and work through their feelings about changes before deciding to accept those changes or to go elsewhere (setting aside the slim chance that anything actually changes which is rare in my personal experience), then I think it’s perfectly fine and normal.

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      While i wholeheartedly agree that people should protest however the heck the want…

      …I still don’t get the rage this issue is causing. Don’t get me wrong, I’m the guy who has a list of businesses I don’t do any sort of business with because of their policies. But i feel like this could have been resolved with shutting down all subs and then everyone taking the summer off from computers. Instead everyone took 48hrs off and then had to get back to their addiction and ramp up their anger in the process.

      The NSFW thing is awesome though.

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        well, some people don’t care, but others like me have been years there finding and joining communities, and for others who became admins and moderators, they spent a good chunk of their time to create and take care of communities over years for free. Now that has been taken from them, and even each step Reddit takes, enrages the content creators and curators even more, so they respond because they don’t want to give up, and now they may want revenge. So I totally support everything they’re doing, from filling it up with useless content to fill it up with NSFW content to avoid ads and so ruining Reddit cash flow. And I hope they keep going on for a while.

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          I get it. I’m a mod on a few subs and its definitely work.

          The part that always stuck with me was that im on some company’s site, one I don’t pay for. I had no expectation that’s they would be benevolent and totally expecting that at some point they’d fuck everyone over. That’s what big business do.

          I guess it just seems odd to me that so much of the site came back up so quickly. If half the site went private until they reversed the changes it would either be resolved or no one would be using the site. Most made it 48hrs, a few maybe 72. But the blackout didn’t really do much and yet people are still angry.

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            The blackout was fairly short, although some subreddits did continue it. But the main reason a lot of these subs stopped the blackout was reddit kind of forced their hands to reopen subs. They sent messages to all sub mods saying if any single mod wants to reopen the sub to get in touch with them and they’d basically get the head mod position and be able to take over. They also implied that if subs continue to stay private they’d find someone that is willing to take over moderation responsibilities so the sub could reopen. The solution to this that moderators came up with was to open the subs but purposely sabotage them with ridiculous rules. Preferably ones that would require the sub to become a full time NSFW sub.

            Also you seem to be arguing that a blackout is effective but ridiculous sub rules like /r/videos can’t post links to videos isn’t effective. Both are effective. There are a lot of people that are probably trying lemmy because popular subreddits like /r/videos and /r/pics are pretty useless in their current state… they’re effectively as good as private in their current state without actually being private.

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              All you’re saying is people caved and wanted their addiction back. No one was really willing to walk away and Reddit knew that. If you have one scab the whole union concept falls apart. And because Reddit can just replace mods i don’t trust that they won’t do it whenever they please. They have no fiduciary or legal agreement with you to kept you as a mod when they feel your protest is harming them.

              I have a feeling with a simple query we will see the mods of these newly NSFW subs will suddenly lose their mod role.

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      I’d like an app that can scramble (not delete) all my posts. Does that exist?

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    I wish more of the larger subs were still protesting and didn’t roll over so easily. But regardless the site has taken a massive hit to its reputation and one can only hope that recovery won’t be possible moving forward and it screws them out of their chance to go public.

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          I knew it was over when my feed was plastered with various subreddits for food delivery workers

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          I was wondering why I saw some much of that and shittytattoos my final last few weeks.

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            /r/truerateme is a lot funnier than shittytattoos. A chance for basement-dwelling incels to rate pretty girls who wouldn’t give them the time of day 5.5.

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        Right, I’m pretty positive r/funny was the largest sub to participate in the original protest.

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      LOL… Who would buy into their IPO now? There’s a HUGE risk of this going to zero.

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        I think we’re going to see a figurehead change before the IPO if things continue this way. Spiz will “step down” (he’ll probably be bought out, which might be what he’s angling for at this point, talking about wanting to emulate Elon? The most obvious and egregious example of massively and publicly fucking up a social media site??) and the company will put out a statement of “changing course,” basically just muddying the waters about what’s actually happening (while most likely nothing will actually change), say that they’re going to try to fix this fiasco.

        It would kill the protests. And that way they can either run out the clock and settle things down before the IPO, or they can put out some vague change that would figuratively make the API more accessible/affordable. But nothing would actually change in the latter scenario, they’d just make a lot of noise about being reasonable while not actually changing anything. Their value could inflate again, protests are quelled due to loss of momentum/loss of popularity, pizzle gets a golden parachute, the company goes public and banks, VCs roll in piles of money, etc. etc.

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          And the IPO itself is a bad sign no matter who’s in charge. It means the company will be shareholder-driven, and so aiming for maximum profit (or just straight up not operating at a loss to start with). Line must always go up, so when things start to stagnate, or they reach saturation, more and more bold anti-consumer decisions will be made to extract higher profits. See Netflix and their crackdown on password-sharing.

          It may not happen straight away, but it will eventually.

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            Perhaps my opinions are different from others but I feel like these websites are forgetting that they’re an optional part of people’s lives. There are plenty of things I can spend my time on besides reddit and YouTube, and Netflix is forgetting that it’s marginally more convenient than piracy.

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              Considering Plexshares exist, the margin is really only taking the 30 mins to set things up while having a library 5 times as big for half the price.

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      Give it 3 months and it’s all forgotten about. New users won’t know the difference.

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        You’ll see the user experience difference. Janky ass Reddit will look lame compared to the cool Lemmy apps that are in development now.

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        I followed mostly games and tech related stuff and they mostly rolled over quick or didn’t even participate. So figured it was a lost cause from the get go. When I was subbed there was not much difference in usual activity , since I did not sub to the main subs. In a lot of cases I actually had blocked them long ago.

        On the plus side those communities have had good activity on lemmy without need for the reddit mods to bother migrating.

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    For for how much heavy handed their initial reaction was, I’m surprised that Reddit doesn’t take more aggressive actions. Spez has the loudest voice on highest pole, yet so far he only managed to anger everyone.

    Fuck Spez.

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        And he was a mod for a very disgusting sub back when it was active.

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          Although I dislike him as much as anyone, I read that in the early days you could add users as mods without the need for users to accept.

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            He was supposedly posting on the sub as well. Plus you can remove yourself as a mod, especially if you’re an admin.

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            Jailbait. There’s a bit more to the story though…mod invites were auto-approved at the time. But he seemingly embraced it, even if he didn’t directly acknowledge it.

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              “Seemingly”? He sent a physical Reddit trophy to the lead perv of that sub and bragged about it in different subs (along with other mods), and that doesn’t even begin to touch on the barely-veiled alts he was known to use in that sub and elsewhere to circumvent rules, alter votes, and massage narratives. The guy’s a festering moron with a mic.

              source: OG Redditor who stood up to that clique back when.

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      I’m not sure they can. What can they do? I doubt they’ll replace moderators with paid Reddit workers. The alternative is to replace them with other power hungry moderators who will bend a knee to the Reddit admins. That might work on some major subreddits but the PR of that might cause more damage.

      I think the admins hoped it would have blown over by now. If it’s still going on by September I bet they’ll need to do something.

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        And the problem is that people who are power hungry and only doing it to scratch that itch can’t be trusted to maintain a valuable community. That’s not the type of people they are.

        And people who create the content are moving to other platforms. I’ve deleted all of my reddit links and apps to reduce the likeyhood I’ll stumble across a reddit post. Also starting to take some of my better reddit posts and edit them to remove any valuable content, and post on Lemmy instead.

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            Google is at it with indexing. You can also use: https://fedi-search.com/ https://www.search-lemmy.com/

            I haven’t really tried them out for real tho. I think the search in lemmy works pretty well especially in instances like world because they are connected to so many communities. But you are maybe a lot more advanced with your searches

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              No, it’s not that I need more advanced search. It’s that currently reddit is the best source for information on the Internet. I still want people to be able to find the information they need from well meaning people. Even if that means some douchey company crawls all the lemmy posts to feed to its AI.

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    I honestly expected after the API changes rolled out that the backlash on Reddit would stop but I’m glad to see the shenanigans continue.

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      Same, as much as I hope lemmy succeeds, I simultaneously hope that the API changes get reversed. Good job to those fighting for this over there

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        I am afraid the two might be mutually exclusive. Lemmy is like old Reddit and still on early adopters. We get more and more newcomers only because Reddit is going downhill.

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        At this point even if the API changes are reversed I’m don’t with Reddit.

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        I think Lemmy’s biggest challenges are server stability, increased complexity to use (most don’t understand things like instances), and low awareness from others. I only learned about it a day or two ago. Signed up out of curiosity.

        But if Lemmy gets even more popular then the various popular instances are going to be stressed. It looks unstable to newcomers who go back to Reddit.

        I signed up for lemmy.world originally, constantly had gateway errors. Lemm.ee seems more stable due to lower traffic.

        But others may not be able to recognize that. Even if they did, might not want to create new accounts for several instances and go back to starting from 0.

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          Agreed. Also joined Lemmy a couple days ago and don’t yet fully understand how everything works. I’m hoping that lemmy apps add features to make it easier for people who aren’t very tech-savvy, like automatically assigning people to a general purpose instance (one that isn’t too full preferably) unless they wish to choose a specific one.

          Another thing is that I believe links to posts are somehow instance specific and you have to “convert” them to point to your instance’s version of said post, or something like that, in order to see comments and interact. That seems clunky and should probably be made easier somehow, maybe apps could automatically convert links? Or maybe there is a way to make links instance-agnostic from the get go.

          Just some things I’ve noticed in my time here. Very much enjoying the experience though!

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            One aspect I’d love (and is apparently in the works) is swapping instances while keeping your history. A migration tool of sorts. Would help.

            Still the roughness is sorta endearing in its own way. But I don’t think it’d be endearing to most people.

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          Lemmy.world just finished pushing significant stability and performance improvements to the Lemmy codebase and to their own server, and from what I’ve heard it’s lead to significant improvements. I agree that Lemmy is unstable, but it’s also beta software undergoing rapid improvement, and I’m optimistic on where it will be by the end of the year.

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            I feel like most of the problem would be physical hardware. Costly servers that would need to be able to meet Lemmy’s growing demands.

            I’m not sure how much optimization from the software side can be done to reduce resource requirements. There’s certainly things that can be done to improve user experience though.

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        I’m liking Lemmy a lot. I rolled my own instance so performance is great. The only issue is delayed federation of new posts, but comments seem to go through instantly.

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          How long of a delay? Do you known if the delay is on your end, taking a while to load from every other instance, or from the other ones being slow to “tell” yours about new posts?

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            I think the delay is due to syncing historic backlog on the community. Not 100% sure though.

            On my instance it says that some communities are fully synced so it looks like there is zero delay. So long as lemmy.world or lemmy.ml are working on their end.

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        Though it’s not like it matters to most of us if they do reverse course. I already deleted everything on my Reddit account. It’s all gone permanently.

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      This has exposed the incompatibility of a company wanting to make $$$$, when it relies on volunteers. Mods aren’t eager to do unpaid work just so spez can get rich.

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      I believe the failed Twitter-to-Mastodon exodus made spez and his yesmen cocky. I hope they underestimated how much more tech savvy the average redditor is - especially the nexus poster, who keep the community afloat.

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        I think they overestimated how much engagement the average reditter provides. Most people are consuming content, but not contributing any or posting comments or clicking ads or anything. 90% of engagement is driven by like 20% of users or some shit like that.

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          I suspect twitter is similar. But a difference between Reddit and twitter is how easily power users can migrate.

          On twitter, you follow people. Power users were often cautious cause they didn’t want to lose their followers and non power users wanted to be where the power users are.

          But on Reddit, you follow communities. For power users, there’s few direct followers to lose and for non power users, as long as there’s enough content, it doesn’t matter much who created it.

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            Another important difference is that reddit concepts map better onto lemmy than twitter onto mastodon. Additionally, one important aspect of twitter is the proximity to journalists, celebrities and politicians. Reddit doesn’t really have that (except for /r/iama).

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          I personally have left for Mastodon and never looked back. Ivory is making it so easy and beautiful. But I’m not following sassy quipsters, c-tier celebrities and outrage farmers, so I’m not really anything that stayed on Twitter. But a lot of these “nexus posters” haven’t done the switch and/or had done it but returned to Twitter.

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        Indeed, which of course communicates a fundamental misunderstanding about how people use Reddit vs. Twitter. On Twitter/Mastodon people primarily follow other users, so Twitter remains dominant due to the large number of celebrities, influencers, and politicians that use it. On Reddit/Lemmy, people follow communities, and as such as long as both are active a given community on Lemmy is just as good as a community on Reddit. This also of course impacts federation. With individual user federation discovery can be challenging and small instances will have relatively barren all feeds, but with community federation even instances with a few dozen users will federate with enough communities to fill the all feed. Reddit was also famous for the multitude of very nice features implemented by third party developers, all of which they just ejected, which means now those nice features will be available to Lemmy users. Apps are capable of abstracting and improving the user experience by suggesting instances to sign up to and presenting a unified feed of all of the instance feeds that the app has connected to, making everything feel far more connected. In a way I’m grateful to u/spez, his awfulness as a CEO pushed people here and made a lot of this possible.

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        Eh. They_were_ until about 4(?) years ago. I noticed there was a big shift when all of a sudden nobody cared about spelling and grammar mistakes anymore, and Reddit itself started changing to be more average-person minded. But in the beginning absolutely yes, that’s why the format was the way it was

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      No, I figured this would go on a lot longer than just the blackout. There has been a lot of built up resentment in the mod community that the admins never really addressed. Now that the admins ripped away most mod tools, a lot of mods are pissed.

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      Anime subs are flooded with pervs openly sexualizing children and calling for porn.

      So… Pretty much the same as before July 1st /s

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        Jokes aside, I quickly scrolled the anime subs I used to frequent (by hot and then top daily and top weekly) and I didn’t really see noticeable change, maybe I missed a big discussion that happened during protests since I stopped using reddit since then, but I don’t really see what you described.

        And before the protests there was already the occasional pro loli post, of course it wasn’t a flood that’s why I went to check.

        Maybe it’s something present on smaller subs?

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        Honestly this, I’m not hating on anime fans here but to pretend the overwhelming majority of people who consume anime content are not also massive weebs is dishonest.

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          I mean, being a weeb is not synonymous with loli stuff, especially nowadays where anime and manga have become so mainstream.

          But I don’t believe even for a second the narrative of “now that the good guys are off, reddit has decayed to the point anime fans are clamouring for loli” they already were, since the beginning, it is a constant and unavoidable “issue” (in the sense of controversial) in anime communities, always was and probably always will be.

          Heck I remember one of the main mods of r/animemes posting loli on other subs, so it isn’t like the people that directed the subs had much problem with it, it was just part of the rules they had to enforce due to multiple reasons (people not wanting to see that, it being a meme community, reddit rules over all, etc)

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      I think it’s half moderators on strike, and half people acting disrespectfully because they have no respect for Reddit since Reddit showed them they have no respect for them. When the platform is run by a malicious faceless corporation there’s less of a feeling of obligation to be civil, but on Lemmy these instances are being run by volunteers and when I see the hard work they’re putting in to keep things running it makes me respect them and it feels more like an actual community that I want to treat well.

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            I was briefly a moderator of a sub with a few thousand subscribers, the amount of spam alone made me give it up. It’s relentless and never stops. The only thing that made it tolerable was the mod features in Apollo. I can’t imagine what it’s like with some of these really active communities with millions of subscribers. People just don’t realize how prevalent the spam/harassment truly is online, and Reddit screwing over the volunteers who clean up that shit is enough to keep me off for good.

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      Moderators are either absent or they post generic botty-sounding messages like, “Please be civil” while not actually moderating anything.

      So they’re refusing to work for Reddit for free. Good for them!

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    The saddest part about this is…it didn’t have to be this way. Reddit’s greed turned something beautiful (or at least with some nice pieces) into a hellscape….

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      Reddit has the problem of being unprofitable and losing money. Users and moderators have the problem of wanting to access Reddit as they had before but no longer can. But Reddit responding with a heavy hand is what’s caused the protests. Reddit isn’t a charity but they also can’t completely ignore their community.