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Capitalism cannibalising itself one brand at a time.
Fuck brands. Buy less shit.
Fuck pointless consumption!
I honestly can’t trust any brands and their packaging because of shrinkflation.
Eveytime I go into a grocery store i see packaging stay the same size but the amount inside the packages keeps getting smaller and smaller.
In the image below for example now frozen fruits come 50% less filled, and the price has gone up from the originally 600g.
I think this may be a bad example. Different fruits are not necessarily sold in the same weights. Fresh strawberries are typically sold in heavier containers than a container of raspberries, and have been for a long time. Raspberries are just a more expensive fruit.
Exactly what I was thinking. Large strawberries are pretty uniformly cheap for me. Much less so for raspberries, blueberries, etc.
If we want to complain about the state of things fabrications make our arguments less trustworthy the moment they come out of our mouths.
Uh… those are two different fruits. If you are going to compare packing to measure shrinkflation, shouldn’t you be using the same product?
I’d say “That’s Loblaw’s for you” but the other day I was in Costco, and even THEIR packages have shrunk. You still have to buy a pack of 6, but it doesn’t weigh as much.
Oddly though, a 1kg bag of oats is still a 1kg bag of oats… just more expensive.
Bob Lablaw of the Lablaw Law firm and Bob Loblow Law Blog takes issue with your hasty generalization.
Same, I usually compare the net weight and amount of servings in a package vs the other brands nowadays.
There are definitely brands I stopped buying due to shrinkflation. A few times I’ve seen shrinkflated items on sale later and then do the math just to realize the price is still too stupid to buy even at sale price.
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My favorite shrinkflation is Campbell’s soup, particularly their low-sodium offerings. Costs twice as much, comes in a slightly smaller can, and isn’t condensed. So you pay five times as much for them to just not put so much fucking salt into their soup in the first place.
Making soups has become a really fulfilling one of my cooking challenges I set myself. Tinkering with veg soup and getting slightly different variations each time has been a journey. Extra bonus is there’s always tons so there is always some in the freezer for days I cannot be bothered.
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Even just regular cream cheese. It’s $8 for a 12 oz. tub of Philadelphia brand but $1.50 for an 8 oz foil-wrapped blocked of the generic. For years now I’ve been buying the generic blocks and packing them into old Philadelphia tubs because my parents insist on the name brand. They’ve never said a word about it.
I’m sure you could make your own whipped cream cheese with a food processor.
Are you comparing the two package sizes? One has strawberries and one has raspberry’s….
That is like… well comparing strawberries to raspberries they are totally different… I would assume packaging and pricing would be different.
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“abandon their favorite brands” is a hell of a way to rephrase “can’t afford to continue eating what they have been previously”. Glad to see it reframed in a way that makes the companies seem like victims.
Thats like when we see headlines like “gen z are destroying the alcohol industry”
I stopped buying cereal years before covid. A recent trip to the grocery store took me through the cereal aisle and I happened to stop to pay closer attention. The shrunken boxes and jacked up prices were very apparent. Yet another reason not to buy that unhealthy trash.
Yet another reason not to buy that unhealthy trash.
ButButBut it’s part of this complete breakfast!
Gestures broadly at the huge array of breakfast items on the table of which the cereal is a minor component
I only buy specific cereal, and only when it is on sale, because my wife and daughter have celiacs disease and their options for “easy” food are fairly limited. Cheerios and Chex are essentially all I buy and only when they on a significant sale.
I’m not sure if you are aware, but Cheerios aren’t actually gluten free. They use some crazy process to blow the gluten off of the oats with air… When I first read about it I decided I wasn’t going to try them. Since then, I believe the gluten free claim was removed in Canada.
If your family doesn’t have symptoms or feel ok after eating them, maybe they are comfortable with the risk.
That site doesn’t claim that they aren’t actually gluten free. What it does claim is that the data General Mills provided has not convinced the Canadian Celiac Association that the process for verifying that that there was no cross contamination was not rigorous enough. That is good info, but starting off with “Cheerios aren’t actually gluten free” is simply not true. My family has not had any issues due to any cross contamination with them (we would know immediately), but this does make me want to cut it out as the risk is simply too high. Thanks for the heads up.
No disagreement there at all. I should have started with the oats don’t start out gluten free instead.
Personally, I do know a couple people who had reactions when they first came out. For me it was enough risk to say no to them, plus, I didn’t eat Cheerios to begin with.
I just didn’t trust their method of removing the gluten from the oats, it sounded like there was room for errors in the process.
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That sounds like Publix behavior, though I am sure they are not alone. I have noticed that with essentially all grocery stores even after I moved across the country and have all different stores now, so it could be the manufacturers that are driving that sales flow. Either way, I get it. I just do the “stock up during sales” thing you were referring to because my wife and daughter were a bit starved for choices of “easy foods”.
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That sounds like where I used to live, so I figured the BOGO was Publix. I’m now in the midwest so no Food Lion or Kroger either, all store chains I had never heard of, but they do a lot of the same things.
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almost ever chain i go to, nobody visits the cereal aisle ever, they know its just pure sugar in a box. they opted for the “healthier” foods. the only people that buy cereal, are people with children or is addicted to the even more sugary granola cereal.
You people have such a small world. There are plenty of healthy cereals. Especially if you’re looking for more fiber, which isthe single largest deficiency in diet that we have in Western nations.
Y’all see one fucking reddit post and treat it like gospel 🤣
Most of the nutritional value I’ve seen in cereals have been through supplemental ingredients. For example, a lot of the vitamins and minerals are added in as if you crushed supplements and put them in your bowl. There are better ways of getting those nutrients, including fiber: beans, chickpeas, lentils, peanuts, flax seeds, chia seeds, various vegetables, etc. None of those require milk to be palatable and they’re much cheaper than the ultra-processed cereals. When it comes to fiber, you’ll want a variety, cereals largely just rely on bran.
ReEEEeeeEEE their diet is not as optimized as mine 🙄
Fucking nerds.
Cereal is a mostly non perishable. It’s easy and predictable. Christ 🤦♂️
If I were going for optimization, I wouldn’t be suggesting food, I would be suggesting supplements and powders. Odd that you seem to have a problem with optimization in your first sentence, then you promote cereal because it’s non-perishable, easy, and predictable, which all sound like optimizations to me. Just so you know, beans, chickpeas, and lentils all fall under those categories as well.
I have Zero brand loyalty. Best ingredients for the lowest price gets the sale.
Keep in mind that most off-brand products are literally the same brand name product in a different container.
In Canada we have a few off brand labels like No Name and Compliments. Take ketchup for example. The off-brand ketchup is literally the same brand name Heinz or French’s it’s sitting beside, but for $1.50 cheaper. That’s because the off brand companies like Wal Mart and Loblaws pay for production cycle time at the main plants. So a run of Heinz ketchup will actually be a run of No Name ketchup. Heinz gets more money for the use of production time than they would selling that line of their own brand ketchup.
If you’re brand loyal to something, you’re just willing to pay more for a name, not the thing you want. Sour cream, mayo, toothpaste, even soap is all the exact same as the brand name stuff you’re buying.
Most of the time you can tell where it came from by the production stamp. All companies have their own number so the no name ketchup would have the same product number stamp as the brand name one because it came from the same facility.
The recipe is different for the store brand. I did this stuff in the dairy industry for a while. Its not production cycles in dairy, it’s vats. So store brand orders a few vats of product, with way lay less actual milk or doesnt specify as high a minimum quality milk products. More dyes and filler during finishing and no aging. All store brands are essentially flavored and colored mozzarella. They are lower quality.
I still buy them though. Mozzarella is good enough for most recipes.
For other products it’s similar. Lower tolerances on inputs and outputs to reduce cost. Still probably 80% as good as name brand.
I’ve worked in a few of these production lines and they’re literally just changing the packaging at the end of production. The packages could be different enough to change taste or texture but the product itself is identical.
Most store brands come from the same manufacturers as brand name products, they just change the packaging.
I have loyalty to higher prices if they treat their employees right. I’m willing to shell out an extra dollar if it means the employees aren’t getting paid shit an hour
Sure, but most of the time in this capitalist hellscape your options are shit and slightly different colored shit.
Slightly different colored is a pretty big statement — you can get the same service from a company that pays the workers $45 an hour or one that pays them $22… That’s a life vs working under the thumb of a company. It’s a very large difference between the good and the bad. Capitalism is everything trending towards shit inevitably, but that does not mean that every individual business is shit. It just means someday they will become shit.
My only loyalty is to brands that have higher quality than the competitors. And that only last as long as they are maintaining their quality or another brand is increasing their quality.
What about Uncle Sam cereal? It’s gone now, bought by a big cereal company and nearly immediately shut down, but there was nothing as fibrous and un-sugared on the American cereal market as that. Oh, sigh, Uncle Sam.
I mean, I wouldn’t care what brand it was if there were anything comparable. But given that it was the only one like it, I was extremely loyal.
vote with your money, if a company or brand doesn’t respect you or fight for your business then starve them out
Framing this as a customer loss is funny. Switching brands means it’s the brands that are losing, geniuses.
Pretty mind blowing to think maybe people don’t need 200 variations of the same sugary grains.
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In a world where every product sucks due to years of cost cutting and shrinkflation, brands mean very little.
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steroid+antibiotic pumped milk and meat for “real” meat
There’s a very specific reason Canada doesn’t allow your dairy and meat products into Canada. I work for DFNS and our bare minimum requirements are vastly more strict than your federal requirements.
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corn syrup
The only reason they do this is because in the US, corn subsidies make it cheaper. HFCS is essentially exactly the same as sugar to the body. It’s not any more or less unhealthy.
GMO
Another overblown fear. Humans have been modifying organisms for millennia. GMO is not inherently harmful. The main harm comes when companies try and make it so farmers have to purchase seed from them for every crap. That’s not harmful to eat. That’s harmful for our food supply.
extreme weed killers and pesticides
These all easily wash off, and you need to be washing your fruit and veg because they are dirty.
It’s trivial to research this for yourself. Stop listening to idiots on youtube trying to sell you supplements and lying to you about these things.
There are problems and concerns, but these are not them.
People scared of genetically modified foods need to take a good look at vegetable and fruits. You think bananas and watermelons always looked like that? Hell, I’d say most have something going on to make them grow bigger and faster…
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Corn is probably the most fundamental subject example. Heh.
But yes, you are spot on of course
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How about you go actually look up studies? I just did and confirmed:
- Washing fruit/veg removes most of the residue that’s there
- The amounts typically left do not significantly increase your cancer risk
Do whatever the hell you want, but don’t pretend the science is behind you when it is not. Take your smug misinformation somewhere else.
“WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE BRANDS!!!”
and somehow it’s all the Millennial’s fault - Damn (40 year old) kids!
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You mean the brands that are owned by like 5 companies?
Fuck em.
Don’t the same brands also make the store (private label) brands?
And I’d rather spend less on the off brand products that literally come from the same production line as the on brand products.
Not only is the shit expensive, but may as well eat a bowl of ice cream with as much sugar as a lot of cereal has. Having cereal for breakfast daily is akin to using soda for hydration. It sure tastes good, but I’ve cut down on my cereal intake for multiple reasons.
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What people think is unhealthy or healthy changes once they start actually looking into it.
Soda? Clearly unhealthy. Juice? Milk? Clearly healthy.
Well, except that excessive carbs are a problem, and while milk and juice may have some nutrition (that you can also easily get from other sources), they have as much sugar as soda.
As a diabetic, I try not to drink calories. Milk and juice are slightly worse than regular soda. And I will occasionally have some of any of those. But occasionally, and a small amount, not a large amount.
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So true, and worse, most cereal is just carbs to begin with!
Basically your breakfast is sugar on sugars.
And it doesn’t take too much to correct the problem since about half of the calories (for a non-diabetic at least) should come from carbs. So get some protein and fat in there to balance, keep the total carbs in check, and enjoy some cereal if you want - as “part” of a balanced breakfast. heh.
Well, for me, I don’t like breakfast foods for breakfast. I do sometimes at night, but I prefer a burger at breakfast to any breakfast items.
Your digestive system is the same all day. Eat what you like, try to make it more balanced as you can. :)
I think there was a really interesting part right at the bottom that was briefly mentioned. A lot of people are using A.I. to shop now. Probably not the Lemmy demographic. But people are willing to trust the A.I. when it gives them a recommendation, even if it’s for a new brand they’ve never heard of before. This is an unprecedented level of marketing if the numbers in the article are correct. No advertising can compete with “artificial word of mouth” directly changing a customer’s opinion.
My prediction is companies will notice this, fast, and there will be incentives for A.I. to become like a new advertising platform. How much do you think Grok can charge to recommend one product over the other if it can have such a high (near 40%) lead conversion?
404 media has an interesting podcast episode on “AEO” (AI SEO) and how it can be manipulated. Apple link
So it’s like SEO then. It’s always been a scammers game. Blast sites with bot comments about your site, write slop articles that merge things that have nothing to do with what they are named for the sake of SEO, add tags, and specific words through the page. This is just an extension of the scum.
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In fairness, the difference between surfacing helpful information vs. manipulating misinformation is the desire of the users for that information. If it turns out to be something they really wanted, it’s a Good Thing™. If it turns out to be not something they really wanted, it’s a Bad Thing™.
One of the reasons dealing with manipulation is so difficult.
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Facts.
I quit drinking soda this month because the off-brand soda I like inexplicably stop being sold by every store in the area, probably due to the Iran War, and RC Cola, Pepsi, and Coke all cost the same gouged prices. I could just take the price gouging and buy them anyway, but I’d rather quit consuming it out of spite.
That it’s healthier is just a side bonus.
That’s actually great news. Sugar is a hell of a drug and quitting soda is a big step in less sugar consumption. I enjoy water and hot tea usually at work, but my co-workers love soda. One of them got a kidney stone and the doctor told her it’s because you were drinking 5 cans of soda a day.
Hell yeah. :)
I think the other bad part is even the no name brands have ramped up prices as well… for a bit it was pretty good, but I feel like a lot of them just ended up pricing themselves the same as they did before, which is like .50 cents less or maybe a $1 less than the main brand. At that point i say its not even worth it and either decide on just buying the name brand cause the savings is dumb or just not buy it again until they lower the price or it goes on a good sale.
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It’s possible to go one step further and to just grow the mint yourself, mint is probably one of the easiest plants to grow.
But please just grow it in a pot and with some distance to other soil in the bottom because otherwise you will have mint everywhere and it will be very hard to remove, it will become a bad weed.
I have planted it two years ago and sometimes if I feel like it I water it and so far it’s gotten pretty big from just some small plants.
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Cereal prices killed me. I went to generics which were fine and then they got too expensive. So I learned to make my own, sugar smacks are really easy to make and taste WAY better. Plus you can tweak the recipe like I add toasted almonds in mine, local honey, etc.
Jerky was the other, bought a dehydrator and wait for skirt to be on sale. I have a clone of Wild Bills and I’m good to go.
And you can do so much more w/ a dehydrator. Veggie? You can make awesome fruit strips/etc
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