• ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml
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    7 hours ago

    “… if anything, people are trained not to download Word documents. Plus, he noted, looking at the blurred example in the report, the malicious document contained an additional apparently blank page which held the concealed prompts in white text.”

    Yep, defence starts with people not opening Word documents 🤦‍♂️

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    14 hours ago

    The tl;dr:

    1. Prompt inject a malicious instruction in a word document that instructs the AI to copy this instruction to other documents as part of the payload.

    2. Dumb user downloads and opens the document with copilot enabled, abd ignores the large suspicious white blank page that totally doesnt look like a hidden giant injection attack.

    3. Thats it pretty much it.

    Copilot will get injection attacked because the prompt is super huge and at the end of the document, so its prior instructions start to fuzzy out.

    Then it’ll go “okey doke” and start copying the prompt injection attack payload to a bunch of other documents.

    The fix is stupid simple… copilot should just be prompting the user for permission if it ever edits a file other than the one that is open. Im surprised that isnt already the case…?

    It certainly is already the case for copilot in vscode.

    • it_depends_man@lemmy.world
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      copilot should just be prompting the user for permission if it ever edits a file other than the one that is open. Im surprised that isnt already the case…?

      That can’t be done or they would be burying the “agentic AI” thing that has been the goal and marketing thing for the last years.

      Independent actions by copilot on behalf of the user without the users knowledge is the entire point.

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      12 hours ago

      Back in ancient times when I was a system administrator we got a heads up that there be a new breed of Outlook worm coming soon to our timezone.

      So we mailed the entire office that if you get mail that looks like this or that, do not open it, do not interact but delete it on sight.

      Most of the office was all right, except pretty much entire sales and marketing departments including the bosses. Most of them had noOo idea what could have happened but one of them explained that they saw the warning but they were curious to see what the virus looks like.

      People. What a bunch of bastards.

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        Sales and marketing don’t count. Critical thinking doesn’t sell. So you won’t find critical thinkers in those departments.
        From a security standpoint, those departments are to be considered hostile. But you can lock down the PCs there as much as possible to reduce the offline time because computer-illiterate employees don’t care about being able to install stuff or change settings.

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      10 hours ago

      The number of people that click through to disable that prompt might surprise you.

      Hell at least half of AI influences are trying to just run models blind with full file permissions.

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    15 hours ago

    the only way to block it is to get AI to differentiate instructions from data, which is impossible today

    Input sanitation, basically security 101. And it can’t currently do it…

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      I have heard in the past that it’s not possible to fully control AI. Like literally, the people developing and running the AI cannot fully control its behavior. I did a quick search to see if I could find more info and found this link on the first page of results: https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1032090

      I think that we’re going to continue seeing unwanted behavior from AI.

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      10 hours ago

      That’s also not the only way. Basic governance also works. Why does copilot have so many permissions?

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      15 hours ago

      if the instruction is messy fuzzy human language to a system that was not coded instruction by instruction but got generated and trained then there never is a way to differentiate instructions from data if i’m not mistaken

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        We know that some humans can be trained to do that just fine. Humans are natural neuronal networks. That implies, neuronal networks can in principle do it. We just don’t have any human-capability artificial neuronal networks yet.
        LLMs might never get there. But humans aren’t LLMs. If we ever manage to properly model a human brain, that probably will be able to do that task with human-level accuracy (which actually is pretty good if you only look at professionals of the filed).
        Hopefully, it doesn’t actually need a human brain for the task - because modeling that might still be a century off.

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      15 hours ago

      I just can’t anymore. Isn’t that like, the basic thing any program does? Who runs these companies?

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        It is - and tons of bugs are just about fucking it up or just not doing it at all. Incomplete or faulty parsing and validation of untrusted input is absurdly common. It got better in the past decades, but most software developers write worse code than AI by now (not me though; obviously, I am still better than the best AI).