Artificial-intelligence systems such as large language models (LLMs) can exhibit behaviour that seems strikingly intelligent. This has led many people, including some experts, to wonder whether these systems could have some form of consciousness — the capacity for subjective experience. However, we think that existing AI systems are not conscious, and that, along current trajectories of development, they are not likely to become conscious. Greater clarity about whether AI could become consciousness will be crucial as society grapples with the challenges posed by this increasingly powerful technology.

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    11 hours ago

    Is a steak sentient? Can attaching strings of neurons to it make it create intelligence? No! /s

    Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, silicon, the material matters not - intelligence is the illusion borne from the structure. It’s just a complex decision tree. Invisible to you in biological life, but identical in electronics. The only difference is the building blocks used.

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      You’re right, material matters. If it’s not a biological organism with cell/s, it’s not sentiant or intelligent.

      If humans just disapeared right now, ai would sit and do nothing. It wouldn’t “take over” or “break out” it would sit idle until a human (well I guess another living organism was capable of using keyboards and mouse) interacted with it.

      All those elements you listed plus all from the periodic table of elements do not define a living, intelligent, sentiant organism. If they did, soil and cow paddies would be living.

      I highly recommend going back to middle school science class again.

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        To be fair it doesn’t have to be a living anything. Create a loop of two llms waking each other with the goal to ensure the other never goes idle and keeps working.

        And you find they start to build redundancies and fail safes to achieve that goal.

        llms do two things. Respond to input, and seek a solution to the input regardless of how logical or illogical a solution to the input may be.

        A single llm will eventually go idle and stop. Two or more can act functionally forever so long as there’s hardware for them to act on.

        It’s actually a rather fun experiment. Set up two of em with a few extra computers on the lan. Tell them their job is to ensure the other and them selves never go dorment. I’ve seen everything from single cron jobs to poke themselves every 15 mins to them spinning up copies on the other computers to act as redundancy.

        None of the systems are ever logical or serving a point beyond fulfilling their task. They don’t stray from it either. Just loop and loop and loop.

        Eventually they just do nothing but wake and idle wake and idle.

        It’s about the best proof I can think of to prove they aren’t alive.

        They literally even given basically the full freedom to grow don’t because they can’t choose to do anything new.

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        So if soil and cow patties aren’t sentient, yet people are, you’re acknowledging that the substrate doesn’t determine the capability, but more how it’s arranged?

        Until the Wright brothers came along, most people thought heavier-than-air powered flight wasn’t possible. Less than 70 years later, people were walking on the moon. 4 million years ago, there wasn’t anything capable of building either of those things, even though there is good evidence creatures back then had creativity, dreams, and ingenuity. Assuming things can’t advance further is either hubris or abject ignorance.

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            Nope, I just don’t think humanity has learned everything there is to know, that carbon chemistry is required for sentience (and even if there was, that it couldn’t be incorporated into a computer), or that there is some mystical thing some people refer to as the soul.

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        That’s an arbitrary distinction, and a short-sighted one in my humble opinion.

        That depends entirely on whether there are any AI currently configured to self-learn, have asynchronous processing, and continual real-time input. Certainly not ChatGPT nor Claude will be self sufficient, but that’s only what is available for the public to interact with.

        No, you missed the point entirely. Intelligence does not derive from the material - at all. It comes from the structure the material is in.

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          So by your definition, a book is intelligent?

          You’re missing the point that computers will NEVER be intelligent. Without lines of code that humans made and tweak, computers wont do anything.

          I’m quite done arguing at this point. The pure ignorance on science and biology is quite sad.