It’s silly how “the internet remembers” saying gets repeated. That was true pre-2010 roughly. These days it’s evidently not that difficult for someone to be disappeared or disappear themselves from the internet.
Unless you’re high profile enough or you’ve really angered a crowd. Nobody is going to be archiving you. Certainly nobody is dedicated enough to ensure that your content is perpetually hosted somewhere.
There are some Youtubers from the 2010 era who I used to watch. It’s as if they never existed. They made their ad money and vanished.
It’s silly how “the internet remembers” saying gets repeated. That was true pre-2010 roughly. These days it’s evidently not that difficult for someone to be disappeared or disappear themselves from the internet.
Sayings like this are about threat modelling (worst-case scenarios). If you post something to the internet you need to assume that it will be preserved for eternity. If you want to preserve something on the internet, you need to assume that it will disappear.
The internet remembered back in those days ironically because stuff was harder to get and less accessible. People downloaded stuff because they weren’t sure when they might be on a slow connection or not have a connection at all, and once it was downloaded, it would sit there collecting dust until someone realized that it had vanished from its original source and like a hydra, two people who downloaded it would later upload it again. Always-online broadband and streaming basically killed that whole mentality. People just assume it will always be available from the original source… until it isn’t, and then it’s too late.
I do this again now. I use YouTube as just a frontend and copy links into yt-dlp to watch without ads at my leisure. If I like it and think I’ll watch it again I simply don’t delete it after I’ve watched it. They’re like 80mb videos each.
In days of yore, I did this because I wanted to rewatch the same videos over and over. It was hugely wasteful and also frustrating to do this on a dial up connection.
My favourite part is I get “real” 1080p, rather than whatever Google thinks I’ll believe is 1080p.
my now deleted reddit account is archived on pullpush, just cause they scrape everything. I don’t have stalkers, but i might in the future. They’ve just totally ignored my GDPR request and blocked me from communication lol. i’ve complained to my DPA but i think i either got ignored or i’m expected to wait over a year.
Unfortunately, probably not. As far back when I first signed up – 2010? 2012? I don’t remember now – there was language in the account creation page that asserted you were giving Reddit, Inc. full and perpetual ownership, copyright, license to anything and everything you contributed, and more besides. I only remember because the insane breadth of it was ridiculous, even at the time. DMCA is copyright-based relief, and Reddit users including myself signed all that away.
But either way, US-based corporations are largely sliding me into the “make me” legal model with customers regardless of the actual legality of their actions, from big tech on down, so anyone in the US who is serious about getting their stuff taken down should get a legal opinion before giving up because it’s just too complex to navigate anymore, IMO. (Many attorneys offer free one-time consults).
It’s silly how “the internet remembers” saying gets repeated. That was true pre-2010 roughly. These days it’s evidently not that difficult for someone to be disappeared or disappear themselves from the internet.
Unless you’re high profile enough or you’ve really angered a crowd. Nobody is going to be archiving you. Certainly nobody is dedicated enough to ensure that your content is perpetually hosted somewhere.
There are some Youtubers from the 2010 era who I used to watch. It’s as if they never existed. They made their ad money and vanished.
Sayings like this are about threat modelling (worst-case scenarios). If you post something to the internet you need to assume that it will be preserved for eternity. If you want to preserve something on the internet, you need to assume that it will disappear.
The internet remembered back in those days ironically because stuff was harder to get and less accessible. People downloaded stuff because they weren’t sure when they might be on a slow connection or not have a connection at all, and once it was downloaded, it would sit there collecting dust until someone realized that it had vanished from its original source and like a hydra, two people who downloaded it would later upload it again. Always-online broadband and streaming basically killed that whole mentality. People just assume it will always be available from the original source… until it isn’t, and then it’s too late.
I do this again now. I use YouTube as just a frontend and copy links into yt-dlp to watch without ads at my leisure. If I like it and think I’ll watch it again I simply don’t delete it after I’ve watched it. They’re like 80mb videos each.
In days of yore, I did this because I wanted to rewatch the same videos over and over. It was hugely wasteful and also frustrating to do this on a dial up connection.
My favourite part is I get “real” 1080p, rather than whatever Google thinks I’ll believe is 1080p.
my now deleted reddit account is archived on pullpush, just cause they scrape everything. I don’t have stalkers, but i might in the future. They’ve just totally ignored my GDPR request and blocked me from communication lol. i’ve complained to my DPA but i think i either got ignored or i’m expected to wait over a year.
I wonder, could you file a DMCA takedown request since it’s your own posts and comments?
Unfortunately, probably not. As far back when I first signed up – 2010? 2012? I don’t remember now – there was language in the account creation page that asserted you were giving Reddit, Inc. full and perpetual ownership, copyright, license to anything and everything you contributed, and more besides. I only remember because the insane breadth of it was ridiculous, even at the time. DMCA is copyright-based relief, and Reddit users including myself signed all that away.
But either way, US-based corporations are largely sliding me into the “make me” legal model with customers regardless of the actual legality of their actions, from big tech on down, so anyone in the US who is serious about getting their stuff taken down should get a legal opinion before giving up because it’s just too complex to navigate anymore, IMO. (Many attorneys offer free one-time consults).