Worth reading the original opinion appealed here: great technical writing and explanation of reasoning by the judge

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/xmvjbznbkvr/THOMSON REUTERS ROSS LAWSUIT fair use.pdf

Ddos link under thread body ;).

Bold to release an outright admission of aiding and abetting terrorism due to neglectfully deficient controls.

Or at least it would be in a world with corporate consequences.

I’m happy to see the Chinese labs start competing on SOTA… but hot damn that price is a turnoff.

Anyone tried Kimi 2.7 Coding out in practice yet? Curious to know how it fares against Deepseek 4 and similar budget options.

This is just normal in modern academia, tragically. The system is rotten to the core due to “publish or perish” and the players involved all know it.

The fact it got retracted is the surprising part.

You’re sweeping a lot under the rug with that first sentence: Society will adapt. Yeah sure, barring global catastrophe, it will. Doesn’t mean people won’t die and suffer in the process.

I’m making no claims about good vs. bad jobs here; people can self-actualize however they like in my book. Nor was I making any specific point about epidemiology of deaths of despair in the recent past, but I think that trend serves to illustrate the overall point.

Not really.

It’s all about the rate of change: neoliberal globalization has brought down wages across industries, so fewer good jobs are left, and the not-so-good ones barely keep up the same standard of living.

From a neutral historical perspective, some serious pearl-clutching about jobs is not ill-founded.

As you say, people in the past facing these circumstances didn’t all commit suicide. Yet some did it explicitly, some did it indirectly with alcohol or other vices, others just lived less fulfilling lives than they otherwise would have. Nonetheless, we are very much encouraging deaths of despair en masse with our current societal outlook.

This part applies to all customers:

v. Use of Your Content. As part of providing the AI services, Microsoft will process and store your inputs to the service as well as output from the service, for purposes of monitoring for and preventing abusive or harmful uses or outputs of the service.

And while Microsoft has many variations of licensing terms for different jurisdictions and market segments, what they generally promise to opted-out enterprise customers is that they won’t use their inputs to train “public foundation models”. They’re still retaining those inputs, and they reserve the right to use them for training proprietary or specialized models, like safety-filters or summarizers meant to act as part of their broader AI platform, which could leak down the line.

That’s also assuming Microsoft are competent, good-faith actors — which they definitely aren’t.

This is some pathetic chuddery you’re spewing…

You wouldn’t assume that QA can read every email you send through their mail servers ”just because”

I absolutely would, and Microsoft explicitly maintains the right to do that in their standard T&C, both for emails and for any data passed through their AI products.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement#14s_AIServices

v. Use of Your Content. As part of providing the AI services, Microsoft will process and store your inputs to the service as well as output from the service, for purposes of monitoring for and preventing abusive or harmful uses or outputs of the service.

We don’t own Your Content, but we may use Your Content to operate Copilot and improve it. By using Copilot, you grant us permission to use Your Content, which means we can copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, edit, translate, and reformat it, and we can give those same rights to others who work on our behalf.

We get to decide whether to use Your Content, and we don’t have to pay you, ask your permission, or tell you when we do.

Your general understanding is entirely correct, but:

Microsoft is almost certainly recording these summarization requests for QA and future training runs; that’s where the leakage would happen.

It’s just a meme site that was posted to HN and took off.

No investors or purpose beyond putting a pool of chatbots together and watching the slop proliferate.

Lobste.rs might be up your alley.

Did I miss something? They didn’t post any real evidence at all unless there was a link I didn’t find.

What the post is describing sounds exactly like the post getting flagged by users, then uncensored by the mod team later on.

I’m both an HN user of more than a decade, AND a massive HN hater. I’m predisposed to assume the worst, but there’s very little meat to this allegation.

To spare anyone else the click, this is about one blogger malding that his flamebait posts got flagged.

First post cited was about leaving Element/Matrix because they’re bad, second was an Omarchy showcase.

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