Thanks for clarifying

Devices themselves can act as passkeys too - I.e. your phone, laptop etc…

I heartedly recommend Usenet. Bit more involved setting up than torrents but if you’re looking for fast and quality content then this is the way.

No worries, thanks for clarifying.

I think you misread my post. I know what the benefits of their paid teir are, because literally read their page.

I was asking why people self host. As you don’t self host…I’m not sure why you’re responding, especially not with passive aggressive language like that.

Appreciate your perspective thanks for sharing.

Do you mean 2nd party? If not, what is the 3rd party in this situation?

If you do mean 2nd party - you should have a read through this thread, tonnes of benefit to buying these services.

Well they have an app for all the platforms i use, customer support, open sourced code, previous and existing customers that have experience and that recommend them freely, a track record of success, a verifiable business address, operations in a country whose legal system I recognise and offers me certain protections, the ability for me to pay using my preferred method of payment, and most important - not some willfully ignorant representative giving fallacious arguments against using a service.

Well partly yes. This is a self hosted community so I asked a self hosted question.

The other part (I.e. why I haven’t asked anywhere about hardware solutions) is because I am not aware of a hardware solution that could do what a software solution can do: that is, store all my passwords, credit card details, OTP codes etc and work with any service that requires a password.

If you know of a hardware solution that does the same then by all means share! I am open to alternative ideas as well.

If you can’t see the difference for yourself, I won’t be able to show you.

No, because you’re not the supplier of a password manager.

Appreciate the input - that’s exactly where my heads at right now. Didn’t expect so many answers - really glad I asked, been very interesting reading different folks views on this.

I think the chances of such a breach are vanishingly small. I wonder if I’m right though.

I think anyone capable of pulling off such a feat is not interested in my data, and probably more likely looking for government employee access etc…

Yeah that tracks, tbh I had set mine higher so wasn’t an issue for me - but their UX, particularly on Android, is appalling.

Do you recall the rational for 1password?

I can imagine the enterprise/business options are better than bitwarden but as an individual user I don’t need that and would only have the individual plan. It’s a little over twice the price of BitWarden and while every company I’ve worked at in recent years has had 1password i don’t see it mentioned on here anywhere near as often as BitWarden.

What do you mean?

This was also the most compelling reason for me to consider it.

I do think that balanced against the time and effort and risk of me fucking up outweighs this benefit. But I can totally see why for some that balance goes the other way.

Thanks that’s a helpful reply

Thanks, I did consider the syncing would be fine. But if the reason to do it is just hobbying then I’ll pass, I have too many hobbies at this point and managing what I’m already hosting is giving me enough of a scratch for that itch