Any critiques, desire for clarity, outright hatred, whatever have you. I will respond the best I can.
I know there’s been some blowback on some of the policy updates but it’s been difficult to really explain fully that the restrictive content policy is temporary, this community was very unmanaged for a time and it had to be reigned in somehow and with the limited tools at disposal the temporary policy changes were made.
Here’s a comment that also explains a little bit behind the decisions made recently as well.
For community mods, we have a community mod coord matrix group chat now. Feel free to DM about it.
Also, there’s another ongoing discussion regarding SFW communities on lemmyNSFW here.
I get the reasoning, but I do feel that the rules are Way too strict on artwork (as opposed to pics/video of real people) to an unprecedented level. I’d like to see that reevaluated to be more in line with what other sites that allow NSFW permit - if they were facing legal trouble over that content, then they would ban it too, so I think it’s pretty evident that they don’t.
In particular this whole concept of establishing a “canon age” for every character and disallowing aged-up art strikes me as much worse than simply disallowing any art that looks underage.
I’d also like some clarity on how broad this goes.
Is captioned-in non-consent dialogue also prohibited? What about live action scenes with actors who are verified 18+ but have no curves and look young? Original art with unspecified age? Monster girls from species that don’t even live to 18?
There’s a lot there and it’s above and beyond virtually anywhere else. If this is part of the idea of broad, temporary restrictions as an attempt to reduce the admin workload, really what it’s going to do is create a lot of little fires to stamp out when the focus needs to be on the things that will get the site shut down the fastest (obviously illegal content and DMCA violations). Best to keep it simple, and simple is following established standards. Even if it means allowing content admins personally don’t like.
I agree. These rules only increase moderator workload, which really only contributes to burnout when the moderation tools aren’t good.
there seems to be an issue with blocking communities. i’ve blocked a number of communities containing content i’m not interested in but they recently started showing up in the Local feed, such as https://lemmynsfw.com/?dataType=Post&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=New
Would love to see the photon UI deployed.
100%, we will implement it when we can :)
Yay!
One of my biggest gripes with Reddit as a platform is the overabundance of amateur models spamming every single subreddit with the exact same posts to shill their OnlyFans and Fansly profiles, even to the point of posting their content in irrelevant subreddits without consequence. It’s at the point where the admins have all but abandoned the 10% rule for self-promotion.
Will you be implementing a policy to ban self-promotion for profit (and keep communities like Gonewild purely for exhibitionists), or at least encourage professional content creators to actually interact with the community and not astroturf LemmyNSFW with adverts for their OF like they’ve done with Reddit?
I think it’s mostly up to the community moderators to determine whether or not they want that content and how they will police it. As long as it doesn’t break site rules (new rules and clarification coming soon) then it’s not really something we want to micromanage.
With that said, link spamming is def not ok. I’m open to suggestions on how we can build out the toolchain that can ensure a good quality of posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_hashing
Hash all the images in a separate table and make it searchable. It’s a lot of work but it also makes dealing with DMCA much easier as you can automate removal of obvious infringements and illegal content that’s spreading.
This is what killed nsfw on reddit. All these beautiful, niche subs. Destroyed by of spam. I wrote a bot that scanned a posters history, and if it found an of link, it flagged them. Of course it was banned on reddit.
I am quite time poor to learn a new bot language here at the moment but in time I could give it a crack.
OF spam kills communities.
Yeah but at this point they’re probably helping growth since they post so much actual content, so I think having a light hand towards them is beneficial. Still should be in the proper subs though.
Based on what evidence?
As a mod of many subs on Reddit, what I saw killed a lot of the subs over thepast year is the proliferation of spam accounts that repost popular posts indiscriminately within a sub (OC, seller, doesn’t matter) in order to advertise products/websites, etc via pinned posts on their profiles. Plus the Reddit admins allowing “viral” subreddits to spring up on a daily basis by these spam rings.
Most competent mods on legit subreddits knew how to use automod and verification tools to handle sellers, etc. What drove a lot of us mods to throw up our hands and close off subreddits is the fact that we got no support from admins to combat spam/spammers (not the same as sellers).
And of course, at the same time, Reddit banned a lot of long time experienced moderator accounts which then resulted in many niche subreddits to be banned due to lack of moderation. From my viewpoint, the culprit is not due to sellers.
[Addition] - Just old history for reference
I wrote a bot that scanned a posters history, and if it found an of link, it flagged them. Of course it was banned on reddit.
Haha - what a coincidence! I was part of the ones that reported to Reddit admins such bots like the one you wrote so that those bots would be banned 😉 (and they were)
[Addition] rip onlyfansdetectbot, https://imgur.com/LrQhZv6, Full album for related screenshots wrt bot - https://imgur.com/a/tfqTKLg
I wholeheartedly and respectfully disagree. I used to visit the communities, let’s say /r/assholebehindthong or something like /r/assontheglass. It was a true community full of people who were into that particular fetish. It was smaller, traffic was not as fast, but the posts were quality. Pure quality.
Now it’s a non stop stream of:
- do you like my (insert appendage)
- my husband won’t fuck me, will you?
- upvote for nudes in your inbox
- etc etc etc
Total clickbait spammy shit. You’ll visit a subreddit like /r/doublevaginal and you’ll get an OF spammer posting an image that has nothing to do with DV and a title like “would you like to double vag me?!”.
The subreddits have been laid waste to the scourge of OF spamming. I yearn for the days when the subreddits were actual, real people posting real, focused content. It’s done, it’s gone and it’s nearly 100% OF material that’s killed it.
I totally understand the frustration you and many others have. It’s easy to simply point at sellers and say they are the cause - its so convenient to scapegoat.
in my reply earlier, ive laid out some of my observations (over 5 years) about the decline. A sub/community’s health and success is almost totally based on the moderator teams and whether they actually care about what they are moderating vs if they just want to build/expand little fiefdoms for ego reasons. And believe it or not, the community members play a huge part in reporting and weeding out spam and keeping the playground clean if mods motivate them and take action on reports.
As mentioned, most of the usual clickbait can and is easily handled by automod as well as by moderators who can lay out a vision and set reasonable rules for the community, as well as judicious banning. Talented sellers know how to properly focus on what the community want and deliver (without the clickbait). As an example, I took over r/LabiaGW for a couple of years from the founder of sub and grew it from 100K to 500k in that time (with the help of a healthy mix of true amateurs AND verified responsible sellers). The clickbait sellers don’t last long beyond a few days and are easily banned/weeded out by the community.
Unfortunately, Reddit allowed (explicitly encouraged?) spamrings to flourish and exist because it needed the traffic from such to keep showing subscribers and traffic “growth” metrics (likely for advertising and planned IPO purposes). Mods had to spend majority of the time fighting THAT spam so couldn’t focus on actually “moderating” and cultivating the communities. Reddit also banned/removed a lot of such responsible mods (or some mods just threw up their hands at lack of inaction about spam from Reddit admins and left the mod teams), and then these subs got taken over by shady folks who purpose is simply to promote and actively provide forums for the spam stuff you mentioned. Try looking at various mods/rings that currently “operate” the subs full of the spam you abhor, vs the successful subs that remain relatively clean and are growing. Ask yourself why Reddit admins allow hese shady folks to flourish even when repeatedly reported, but actively seek out to remove ban responsible mods who do such reporting…
I hope Lemmy admins are reasonable and smart enough to recognize the true causes and don’t knee-jerk ban sellers.
Earlier this evening I tried to make a post on the Genshin Impact NSFW community and while I was able to upload my image I couldn’t make the post, I’d like send but nothing would happen. I left it for a couple of minutes, nothing. I tried remaking the post but same thing.
While I’m not sure if there’s anything that can be done about it, I really don’t like that I’m able to see who reported my content. By not having the reporters be anonymous, it leaves a gateway for people to be harassed by others for making completely legitimate reports.
I’m not sure how likely it is that a case like this has happened already, but as the community grows, we’re bound to see people who are here in bad faith.
Related to this subject – when a post by a moderator is reported, it ends up going to back to the same moderator to decide on it… when they are most definitely not a neutral party when their own possibly underage flat-chested anime schoolgirl post is reported.
Moderator reports should go to an unrelated third party to adjudicate.
Otherwise, in practice, moderators just resolve all the reports they don’t agree with.
I am all for making sure for rules to be enforced, however…
I have been collecting images I like from the R site for however many years, and now, with a new site and community, I am ready to share the love.
I’ve started posting, but !tinytitties@lemmynsfw.com have been kind of unwelcoming. First, they asked for model consent on a post, which was promptly deleted anyway. No big deal, let’s choose something that doesn’t look like I want to share some revenge porn. Another one deleted, now I am banned for even subscribing.
The rules are not clearly specified. I’ve posted to some other communities with no problem, but there is no rule about having to provide source, consent, or OC name. This is something that has to be worked on a little.
I’ve noticed, that when viewed through pornlemmy.com, communities have redgifs previews, but on lemmynsfw.com they are just links. Compare https://pornlemmy.com/c/cumsluts and https://lemmynsfw.com/c/cumsluts@pornlemmy.com
(You need to open them in web browser)
Can this be fixed?
I have been dealing with nonstop reports of non consent. As aparantly unless someone is actively holding a sign saying “I consented to this” signed and dated prior to the interaction it’s now rape.
For example this post has been reported for rape:https://lemmynsfw.com/post/101797
And a post continues to be reported for rape becouse “(in the anime) the character depicted would never have consented to this, therefore it’s rape”
The default position that everything is rape, unless explicitly stated makes running many types of communities impossible.
This is made worse as other people have pointed out (including me) that 62 percent of women seek out CNC content (including my wife).
I also still struggle with the canonical age limits… link and zelda are only above 18 in one game so I have been consistently responding to reports from the lost woods community sending links to game wikis showing that they are above age. It is also weird to me that 90 percent of anime characters are considered loli regardless of how they are drawn, and that I have to argue that characters like rem are from later seasons as otherwise they would also be banned.
Edit: one other note, some users have also informed me “a school uniform means that it’s loli” due to their understanding of the rules
I just lost my really long comment that I had written, so I’ll make it quick…
Can the admins please clarify?
- My understanding is that the non-con rule only applies to IRL non-con that happened and was recorded in media, not stuff is like drawings of fictional characters, correct?
- How do we identify non-con? So far I understood that to mean explicit rape play, where a person tells the other person to stop and they don’t, but it seems people are interpreting this rule far broader? What is your definition?
- What are the requirements for a “sauce with obvious context” that’s proofs that something is consensual? Their profile says that all their recordings are consensual? It’s a professional shoot with a company? It’s an official post from an OF/Fansly creator? What counts as proof?
On anime girls in school uniforms / school settings, my take is that it shouldn’t be allowed unless it’s known canonically that they’re 18+.
I realize from our discussions that you believe that school uniforms should be allowed unless it’s known that they’re canonically underage, but this leaves a huge gap in artist OC with unknown ages. Over the years, I’ve listened to many people throw up this defense like a shield (“Oh they’re just cosplaying! We don’t know their age but they’re definitely adults!”), kind of like the 1000-year-old loli shield, but current guidance from the admins suggests that they prefer a conservative approach.
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Is it possible to receive a notification when one of your posts get deleted? Along with the reason, when included?
I think this would be a good feature.
I would also like the option to disable downvotes in my community. Thank you.
Edit: I meant disable downvoting for posts only, not sure about comments. It’s currently too easily to manipulate voting like it is on reddit.
I’m pretty sure that’s only possible instance-wide (like on beehaw)
And I vote strongly against disabling downvotes on this instance.
No offense but you don’t even post anything. And I’m not asking for it to be instance-wide, just only for posts posted in my community.
I’m voting to not have it active on any community I visit. Sorry.
You don’t have any posts either. So why do you want to downvote other peoples posts so bad? If it breaks any rules, just let the mods remove it.
I think it’s too easy to manipulate the voting system, same problem as reddit. I’m ready to move on to a better system.
Please don’t allow communities to ban sellers. I think not allowing advertising in the community itself makes sense. I shouldn’t get excluded for having a fan site though! It’s incredibly entitled to expect girls to post nudity with no way to profit off of it. Give the good talent a reason to post on this platform 💘💘💘
Give the good talent a reason to post on this platform
I totally agree with you. OC/seller talent is always welcomed at communities I moderate (with the exception of ones that are strictly studios/sites focused).
IMO, Reddit (and the subreddits I mod) benefited so much from the creative sellers.
I appreciate that 💘 On Reddit, some mods banned me for having a link in my bio on my own page. That seemed over the top to me.
I fully support your right to promote and make a living with your content. But there must be the possibility for people to create coms exclusively for exhibitionists that like to post for the thrill of it. These people has as much right to have a platform as you have. Mods are also literally working for free to keep coms safe, on topic and legal. Everyone should feel welcome on this site. (as long as they are following the rules and laws, of course) Let’s find a way to exist well alongside each other. :)
I’ll just chime in to say that while I have no problems with sellers (and all the amazing sex workers out there!), so many of these communities seem to be nearly overrun with people marketing content. I just want to be able to know when people are selling, and choose that kind of content, when it appeals to me.
Specifically, there’s an entirely different feel to for-profit porn versus for-excitement porn, and I, for one, am hoping for a little more space being made specifically for people in it for the fun - I’m thinking like /r/NoFans and /r/normalnudes for example.
I’ve always advised OC sellers to stay away from those subreddits and mod teams that run those fiefdoms (and I’m sure the same division lines will emerge here on Lemmy).
There are/will be many other welcoming places where you will be appreciated. And you can always create new vibrant communities yourself)
That’s fair. I read your site rules and I appreciate the emphasis on consent. I guess it was alarming to me to see that as a growing trend on Reddit & Reddit culture
I think the admins are trying to take a hands off approach to this overall to allow individual communities to establish the spaces they want. However i just wanted you to know that from the admins ive talked to we do really appreciate content creators and will keep an eye on it. and there have been comments in this post stating “we should ban all only fans creators” which i atleast wouldnt consider, and i havent heard any on the admin team seriously consider it.
If we see alot of communities start banning content creators overall (not just banning advertising, but full on banning posts from people with a paid platform in their bio/etc) we will revisit it, and try to make sure the space is as creator friendly as possible, however to a certain degree i wonder if it will naturally sort itself out as without content creators they arent exactly going to have content to grow yknow ?
Are there coms that are bothering you currently ? (cant promise things will change, but its good for us to pay attention to)
It would be nice if this platform was supportive of consenual creators vs banning them and allowing others to post stolen content. I just wanna have my link 😅
I don’t have any grievances with this platform. I have problems with Reddit and I’m hoping the culture is more consensual here 🫶🫶🫶
I don’t think there’s any intention of banning creators at all. In fact I think we’re open to advertising yourself and linking your sites, as long as you’re not intrusive or spammy…
edit: I should also add that the community mods are the ultimate deciders over the advertising aspect.
What should we use to post videos/gifs. It should be integrated in the site itself. No one likes to click a link and go to other site to watch a video/gifs.
Try using imgchest for now as it expands inline and play (unlike redgifs links where you have to click into the post to be able to expand/play inline within Lemmy. Having to navigate back and forth between a post and back main listing page is effectively the same as having to go to redgifs site).
The downside is that imgchest only allows up to 30MB for video clips, so not quite the same quality level as redgifs - but you are also not hampered by redgifs’ lame requirement to provide mandatory “tags”).
Lensdump does not allow videos, afaik. [Addition] Lensdump is good for images, as when you retrieve the Embed image links for posting, you can choose normal or mid-res quality type url. Example
[Update July 9] with 0.18.1 update, redgifs links now can be expanded and played inline, so much better!
Not sure if this belongs here but…
Does every celebrity or porn star really need their own community?
Was browsing by new and almost every celebs post had a duplicate in the ultra specific community just for that one celeb.
Yeah… Noticed that. I don’t like it, but that said won’t it be up to the users to see what survives and takes root?
I’d rather they didn’t exist, but at the same time the freedom of this kind of platform might be compromised if mods just start shutting down communities as they see fit.
I’m split 50/50 on this.
won’t it be up to the users to see what survives and takes root?
I would agree, but all these celeb communities is making lemmynsfw nigh-unusable for me. Right now, they make up well north of 90% of all communities on this instance, meaning the front page is devoid of any other content unless one uses subscribed-only view or blocks them all.
Being able to one-click block communities from the communities list would help a lot.
Edit: Nevermind, I’m dumb - Hadn’t enabled ‘Show NSFW’ in settings. Still, I don’t see why the celebs can’t just all go in /c/celebs.
I just made a post after discovering all the local communities. If you’re interested you can check this post.
Still, I don’t see why the celebs can’t just all go in /c/celebs.
Then, the same logic is applied to other duplicate subject communities. Age, pussy, hentai, pornstar, asian, bdsm, tits, dick, cosplay, cum, femdom, freeuse, girls, hair, indian, nsfw, onlyfans, porn, sexy, sissy, tiktok, etc. All this subject has multiple communities not just one.
I’m sure as lemmy’s grows also this instance (this instance barely one month, btw) we will have new features to take care of all of this and create users’ the best experience. The fact maybe I started early and they growing/active fast, they will appear first when you explore communities.
I hope sorting communities will be available soon. I need that too
the same logic is applied to other duplicate subject communities
Yeah, that’s fair. I don’t have a problem with specialized communities, and I agree that better filtering tools is the way to go.
Until those tools are available though, perhaps you could slow down a little on opening new communities? Take a look at the front page in logged out mode and you’ll see what I mean.
perhaps you could slow down a little on opening new communities? Take a look at the front page in logged-out mode and you’ll see what I mean.
Because a guest only sees SFW stuff. Mostly dominated by us that post Celebrities and do not necessarily mark communities as NSFW. Discovering local communities is now sorted by active users. If a lot of non-celebrities posters actively post/comment and their communities will get higher spots. Btw, it’s only a few of us who post celebrities, I can say with all these communities I’ve only moderated approximately 10-15 posts/day. Maybe less, if me or @SushiMage@lemmynsfw.com doesn’t contribute
