40% of women feels like not a huge amount less? Happy for y’all to score the point, don’t get me wrong. It just feels like the headline is looking to stoke gender divisions more than point out that a good near-half of everybody is bluffing.
Besides pretending they were knowledgeable, men were also more optimistic about AI, the survey showed — while women were more concerned and worried. Ignorance, as they say, is bliss.
Lol, it’s definitely stoking gender divisions I would say.
The article reminded me of the category of people who are nominally progressive, or woke, but reenact the same bigotries as before from a different direction. You see this with how misandrist a lot of terfs are.
Edit: for clarity, the way the article repeatedly jabs at men reminds me of the inverse way women are treated by mysoginistic writers
Fair correction, the point I was mostly trying to make was that I call it woke bigotry because terfs pretend to be feminist, the same way those racist black people in the US pretend to be anti-racist.
Yeah, I guess so. Misandry and misogyny aren’t exact inverses of each other, same as internalized racism isn’t quite the same as say a white man being racist would be.
I disagree with the implication that a minority being bigoted, like misandry, is an internalized version of the “larger bigotry”, if that’s what you meant to say. Some queer spaces are legitimately just hostile to men for no good reason with the same force misogynistic spaces are to women, and there are racial minorities who are legit just racist against white people.
Of course, those are less harmful societally, since they have less power, but on an individual level they’re still just as bad.
I do think it’s worth distinguishing from the run-of-the-mill transphobe and the TERF. Both exist wherever you go, but the latter is notoriously much more common in TERF Island, while the orange fascist’s state has more regular bigots. And not just because there’s one prominent example from said island.
You’ll find that if the concept of trans people never comes up, most TERFs will genuinely come across as progressive on gender issues. They’ll be, for example, the kind of person who runs a YouTube channel about swords and showing how women are very capable of learning to fight with them. (Sadly not a hypothetical.) They obviously carry somegender essentialism—that’s basically a prerequisite to transphobia—but they often apply it much more narrowly than the average transphobe.
Looking beyond the headline shows more interesting breakdowns along gender lines when it comes to AI:
Researchers found that men use AI more frequently and are, on average, better able to correctly answer factual questions about AI. But men and women answer questions incorrectly at around the same rate. The discrepancy is based on how often women said they weren’t sure of an answer—an average of 3.3 questions out of 12 compared to 2.3 questions for men.
Across a year of media coverage, men were named in headlines about AI more than 14 times as often as women. Because top AI executives skew heavily male, researchers decided to reexamine coverage, looking solely at people who were quoted as subject experts. Three-quarters of these experts were men—a higher proportion than the actual AI talent pool, which is roughly 29 percent women.
It just feels like the headline is looking to stoke gender divisions
You sound like a conservative complaining about racism. They make the same argument; argue the tone, not the point. Which is weird for conservatives and men to take the “this might hurt someone’s feelings” strategy of discourse.
That is the diagonal opposite of my point, sorry no.
Kinda fun how you wanted to call out an overemphasis on tone but the only thing you’re noticing is what I sound like. I’ll try to be clearer next time, I can be slightly cryptic.
40% of women feels like not a huge amount less? Happy for y’all to score the point, don’t get me wrong. It just feels like the headline is looking to stoke gender divisions more than point out that a good near-half of everybody is bluffing.
Lol, it’s definitely stoking gender divisions I would say.
I hate that shit so much, it’s just bigotry but woke™
Don’t get what is woke about it
The article reminded me of the category of people who are nominally progressive, or woke, but reenact the same bigotries as before from a different direction. You see this with how misandrist a lot of terfs are.
Edit: for clarity, the way the article repeatedly jabs at men reminds me of the inverse way women are treated by mysoginistic writers
TERFs are usually rather misogynistic and lean into patriarchal norms for their exclusion of trans people.
Adhering to strict gender norms is a product of the patriarchy.
TERFS hate trans women because they view them as men. This is a view directly tied to the patriarchy.
Fair correction, the point I was mostly trying to make was that I call it woke bigotry because terfs pretend to be feminist, the same way those racist black people in the US pretend to be anti-racist.
Yeah, I guess so. Misandry and misogyny aren’t exact inverses of each other, same as internalized racism isn’t quite the same as say a white man being racist would be.
I disagree with the implication that a minority being bigoted, like misandry, is an internalized version of the “larger bigotry”, if that’s what you meant to say. Some queer spaces are legitimately just hostile to men for no good reason with the same force misogynistic spaces are to women, and there are racial minorities who are legit just racist against white people.
Of course, those are less harmful societally, since they have less power, but on an individual level they’re still just as bad.
I do think it’s worth distinguishing from the run-of-the-mill transphobe and the TERF. Both exist wherever you go, but the latter is notoriously much more common in TERF Island, while the orange fascist’s state has more regular bigots. And not just because there’s one prominent example from said island.
You’ll find that if the concept of trans people never comes up, most TERFs will genuinely come across as progressive on gender issues. They’ll be, for example, the kind of person who runs a YouTube channel about swords and showing how women are very capable of learning to fight with them. (Sadly not a hypothetical.) They obviously carry somegender essentialism—that’s basically a prerequisite to transphobia—but they often apply it much more narrowly than the average transphobe.
Looking beyond the headline shows more interesting breakdowns along gender lines when it comes to AI:
The Wired article that is referenced.
They make the reader do the math here, because 25% vs 29% is not statistically significant.
Curious how this was measured.
The Wired article goes into detail about the study where these numbers are pulled from.
Fixed a statement in the article: “[people] will pretend to know stuff about [anything] even if they have absolutely zero clue…”
You sound like a conservative complaining about racism. They make the same argument; argue the tone, not the point. Which is weird for conservatives and men to take the “this might hurt someone’s feelings” strategy of discourse.
That is the diagonal opposite of my point, sorry no.
Kinda fun how you wanted to call out an overemphasis on tone but the only thing you’re noticing is what I sound like. I’ll try to be clearer next time, I can be slightly cryptic.
You’re assumption about their point is grossly mistaken.