Every company in Japan that adopt MS shit surely have fax with them, can confirm.
Bill Gates gets a “I did that!” sticker too. Time to dump US developed Operating Systems.
Japanese businessmen don’t fuck around, and they wait for no one.
Japan keeping fax machines around suddenly looks less like resistance to progress and more like disaster recovery planning. Microsoft spent years selling the future of work, only for a paper tray and a dial tone to become the high availability tier.
Reminder that eicker is an undisclosed AI bot account that advertised AI services in its bio.
If they’re AI then the Turing test has well & truly been beaten. I scrolled through their profile and I can’t see any of the usual tells
They intentionally keep the AI-generated content short, for that reason.
Also, it’s pretty easy to avoid the AI tone depending on the model you use, by training it on desired text samples, or by just asking it to use a certain tone. It’s pretty obvious that they’ve prompted it for something like “two sentences and a snide joke”, because that’s the form of every one of their initial comments.
Old salaryman in boardroom: “This meeting could have been a fax.”
📠
I’ll guess any business grade copy machine can also do fax without much setup. Old protocols don’t just vanish. It was only microslop that went down, that shit is just not needed that badly.
While true, outside Japan I doubt anyone still has an analogue line connected to their copier, hell the UK are turning our POTS off this year I yhink. And yes fax gateways over ethernet were a thing but you still need to set one up - and finding someone who knows how to, and get the software, and find a provider to do the breakout back to POTS.
They stopped using fax machines?
Most of it finally stopped about 5 years ago. My work phone still occasionally gets spam fax calls but now it’s only a couple times a year
They’re trying to move away from it officially.
Just pretending
I think I’ve read somewhere today that Germans did the same.
Yes, how we love our fax machines. 🙈😂
In the context of current events, it seems a practical and smart crisis planning step. Especially useful for hospitals and institutions to secure a necessary data flow.
It seems to me far wiser to spread services more widely across several providers. Seriously: how daft is it to buy email, instant messaging, video conferencing from a single provider?
Microsoft builds its ecosystem around vendor lock-in. You’re using Entra? M365 integrates real nicely with that. Oh, you want to use something else? Well, good luck with that, our documentation is so piss poor even CoPilot won’t be able to help you. And once you drink the M365 kool-aid, now you have Exchange, Outlook, Teams and Office. You also get afflicted with SharePoint as a bonus! Good luck justifying anything else to your management.
Honestly, I don’t see how MS hasn’t fall afoul of EU anti-trust laws, again. They have bound everything up so tightly that you’re lucky installing Windows doesn’t obligate you to a lifetime of M365 subscription costs.
you’re lucky installing Windows doesn’t obligate you to a lifetime of M365 subscription costs.
“hey, no peeking at our business plan!” --microsoft (
probablymost definitely)
Interoperability becomes an issue though. FLOSS and federated systems help there, but we all know the big providers aren’t going to play ball. Unless we rebuild the whole stack from the ground up, proprietary systems are always going to try to funnel everyone into vendor lock-in and platform monopolies. This is the end result of choices that were made 30 years ago, based on assumptions that didn’t hold up, but none of us now dealing with the consequences, had any say in making.
This is the end result of choices that were made 30 years ago, based on assumptions that didn’t hold up
What assumptions are you referring to?
That proprietary walled gardens were inherently more stable and user friendly. That private companies would, by their nature, incest whatever it took to maximize the quality of their products to maintain competitive advantage. That corporate consolidation could never become a vulnerability in its own right.
Yeah, but a physical backup service in critical areas like fax could remain too.
What’s the German word for fax machine?
Faxgerät or just Fax.
That’s less funny than I hoped.
Ask what they call a cell phone. Go on. Ask.
Ahh who doesnt like a handy ?
There are many shops where you can go in and get a handy.
A mobile
Username checks out
It’ll either sound like a pastry or a weapon.
You hoped Germans would be funny?! As I’ve experienced, they love making puns in English, I assume because none are possible in German
Haven’t seen one in ages, not even at doctors’ offices.
This isn’t adding up to me. Unless you’re paying out the ass for an analog line, you need more that just a fax machine and a jack. You either have a VoIP system with fax support, or you’ve moved to a FoIP service that probably handles everything through email anyway (or both).
Unless you already do a ton of business through your phone system and can justify a robust solution, there’s no way you’re ready to just turn up some old All-In-Ones and you’re just better off eating the cost of this outage and going after Microsoft for whatever your SLA gets you.
“Analog” is expensive as hell today and there’s no way it’s a justifiable expense outside of extremely remote areas.
They never shut down that infrastructure. Japan was still using some 3.5" floppies in the mid-late 2000s and still manufactured VCRs until 2016. The fax tech is still very much intact.
we sent like three short faxes in fifteen years at this location, so we got rid of ours here in the office. we will go to the library or to a bank and pay them a few bucks to send one now. we’ve had to do that only once in the last six years or so. dumping the fax allows us the flexibility to also dump the POTS if the landline telcos become even greedier bastards than they currently are.
Considering the average age of the Japanese population I wouldn’t be shocked to find out a somewhat big percentage still use last century methods. Hell, I remember somewhere mentioned the last system with floppies was finally put to rest on the government level (do not recall exactly the story but I think was in Japan)
Hell yeah, let’s go! I want adobe to suffer as well.
Next floppy disks, please.
I miss my fax machine. Wonder what ever happened to it.
